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Star Wars discussion *SPOILERS AHOY*
 
megatronisabeast
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Posted on 2015-12-20 21:06:59
I haven't seen the movie, don't know if I will, just wanted to pop in, not read the spoilers, and get out in case I decide to! And what do you know, it put my post on a new page! Awesome!
  
campuscodi
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Posted on 2015-12-20 21:43:51
paulo187 wrote:

campuscodi wrote:

Rocky Solo wrote:

I knew it was coming, but I didnt want it to

Awesome movie. My only gripe was the fact that Leia cuddled Rey after Hans death. Surely it should have been Chewie, who just walked by



She was probably her daughter... just saying... if you ever read SW books from the former SW Expanded Universe.



Not technically correct. Rey isn't in the expanded universe (EU). In the EU Han and Leia have 3 kids; Anakin, Jacen and Jaina (the latter 2 being twins). In this film they have Ben (who happens to share the same name as Luke and Mara Jade's son from the EU).

It is possible that Rey and Ben are meant to be twins, or at least brother and sister, but the better option I think having seen the new film is that she is Luke's daughter (making her Ben's cousin). There are numerous clues that link them (the Skywalker lightsaber calling to her more than anything else), but these could of course be there as decoys. For me, she has to be Luke's daughter.

Other major talking point is 'who is Snoke?'. Had the same discussion with Icthalian already and we both think it's Plageuis, but I have seen theories that also point to it being Palpatine. Can't see it being Palpatine myself, he's been the head bad guy for 6 films already and with new characters being brought into this set of films, I think it's a chance to pick someone else (enter Plageuis, Sith Lord and master of Sidious, aka Palpatine).



Yeah I thing Snoke is Plagueis also. In the Darth Plagueis book he was a Mune, and he doesn't look like a Mune. But since the EU has been thrown out, the screenwriters can make him look like anything they want. So yeah... guess he's Plagueis.

And yeah... Rey makes sense being Luke's daughter. I actually believe that's going to happen as well. But let's remember, Star Wars is the world's first ever true telenovela with 180-degree plot twists... she may be Chewie's daughter... right? Anyone?
  
icthalian
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Posted on 2015-12-20 22:08:52
campuscodi wrote:

Yeah I thing Snoke is Plagueis also. In the Darth Plagueis book he was a Mune, and he doesn't look like a Mune. But since the EU has been thrown out, the screenwriters can make him look like anything they want. So yeah... guess he's Plagueis.

And yeah... Rey makes sense being Luke's daughter. I actually believe that's going to happen as well. But let's remember, Star Wars is the world's first ever true telenovela with 180-degree plot twists... she may be Chewie's daughter... right? Anyone?



That'd require an awful lot of shaving every day...
  
campuscodi
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Posted on 2015-12-20 22:24:28
icthalian wrote:

campuscodi wrote:

Yeah I thing Snoke is Plagueis also. In the Darth Plagueis book he was a Mune, and he doesn't look like a Mune. But since the EU has been thrown out, the screenwriters can make him look like anything they want. So yeah... guess he's Plagueis.

And yeah... Rey makes sense being Luke's daughter. I actually believe that's going to happen as well. But let's remember, Star Wars is the world's first ever true telenovela with 180-degree plot twists... she may be Chewie's daughter... right? Anyone?



That'd require an awful lot of shaving every day...



They have lasers and droids... it's the future... nothing easier ))
  
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Posted on 2015-12-21 0:04:00
Luke needs to lose a couple of stone before episode 8
  

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Posted on 2015-12-22 9:06:21
Box office records destroyed

But can it threaten avatar? Im not so sure
  

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icthalian
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Posted on 2015-12-22 9:47:30
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Box office records destroyed

But can it threaten avatar? Im not so sure



It's a big target. I think it might struggle as a lot of the interest will be front-loaded, hence the pre booking and early viewing records getting annihilated. A lot of fans (myself included!) will be seeing it multiple times, so it has a shot, but it's going to be a tough ask.
  
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Posted on 2015-12-22 9:58:30
I think it can take titanic both domestically and globally but avatar is another 600 million further down the road.

Jurassic World wont be the easiest of targets either
  

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paulo187
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Posted on 2015-12-22 10:02:53
Yeah, it will get a lot of repeat viewers, but it also has the fact that it's Star Wars going against it. For the fans, it's great, but for the non-fans it comes with a stigma attached because it's so well known. People who don't like Star Wars (either because they haven't seen the others, they saw Phantom Menace and then never bothered with the rest, or they're just wrong) will purposefully not go and see it; none of them will think "oh I'll just go and see what all the fuss is about" because they already know what the fuss is about. With Avatar though, it was completely new and an unknown story, not something that's been one of the best known franchises in film history for the past 40 years.

I think it will break $2b, might even get close to Avatar, but I don't think it will eclipse it like it has done in the initial box office.
  
paulo187
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Posted on 2015-12-23 9:54:32
Saw an interesting theory posted online earlier on my way to work, which goes as follows (copy and pasted from the internet and whoever wrote it decided to use caps, so apologies for that in advance):

OK SO WE GOT OUT OF OUR SECOND THE FORCE AWAKENS SHOWING AND MY DAD WAS DRIVING US HOME AND OUT OF NOWHERE HE WAS LIKE: ………………….oh my god. w HAT IF KYLO REN CHOSE TO GO TO THE DARK SIDE SO HE COULD HELP THE LIGHT SIDE! AND I WAS LIKE WHAT! SO HE WAS LIKE HEAR ME OUT WHAT IF HE WENT TO THE DARK SIDE JUST SO HE COULD KILL SNOKE!!!!

AND THATS WHY HE’S SO CONFLICTED, AND THATS WHY HE FEELS THE TEMPTATION OF THE LIGHT SIDE STRONGER THAN THE DARK!!!!!

THATS WHY HE TALKS TO VADER’S HELMET, BECAUSE HE IS GONNA FINISH WHAT ANAKIN, THE CHOSEN ONE, STARTED!!!
HE HAD TO COMPLETELY TURN AWAY FROM HIS FAMILY IN ORDER TO DO THAT! TO BECOME A SITH FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOU HAVE TO SACRIFICE SOMEONE YOU LOVE TO DEATH, IN HIS CASE IT WAS HAN!

THATS WHY HE TELLS HAN HE FEELS LIKE HE’S BEING TORN APART INSIDE, BECAUSE HE DOESN’T WANT TO DO IT AT ALL, BUT IT’S THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY TO BECOME A SITH AND COMPLETE HIS TASK!!!!! KYLO LITERALLY UTTER THE WORDS “WILL YOU HELP ME” TO HAN, AND HAN SAYS “ANYTHING YOU NEED” (OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT I CANT REMEMBER)! WHAT HE’S ASKING IS IF HAN WILL DIE IN ORDER FOR HIM TO COMPLETE HIS FUCKING TASK

THATS WHY IT LOOKED LIKE HE KNEW WHO REY WAS, BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO PROTECT HER THATS WHY HE OFFERS HER TO BE HER TEACHER, HE NEEDS SOMEONE AS POWERFUL AS REY IT’LL BE LITERALLY THE DARK SIDE AND THE LIGHT SIDE JOINING UP TO DEFEAT ONE ENEMY TOGETHER AS ONE, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT THE FORCE IS.

THEY LIVE SIDE BY SIDE IN IT THATS WHY HE’S SO CONFLICTED ALL THE TIME, THATS WHY HIS FIGHT STYLE ISNT LIKE A SITH’S AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY ARE ALWAYS SAYING THAT THE DARK SIDE AND THE LIGHT ARE TOGETHER IN THE FORCE

THEY NEED THE PERSONIFICATION OF BOTH SIDES (KYLO AND REY) IN ORDER TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO DESTROY SNOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE LITERALLY HAS TO BECOME A SITH TO JOIN FORCES WITH A JEDI

BECAUSE THE LIGHT IN HIM IS SO MUCH STRONGER THAN THE DARK AND HE HAS TO GET RID OF IT IN ORDER TO DO WHAT HE HAS TO DO AND SAVE THE GALAXY WITH REY AND LUKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE NEEDS TO KNOW WHERE LUKE IS AT ALL TIMES SO THE FIRST ORDER WONT CAPTURE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT IF THEY STAGED LUKE’S JEDI ORDER MASSACRE!!! WHAT IF LUKE KNOWS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!1 WHAT IF KYLO KNOWS THEY LEFT HER IN JAKKU SO SNOKE WOULD THINK SHE DIED IN THE MASSACRE ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER JEDIS!!!!!!!! AND THATS WHY HE REACTED THAT WAY WHEN THE GUY SAID THE DROID HAD “HELP FROM A GIRL IN JAKKU”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


Thoughts? It's a pretty interesting theory to be honest...
  
 
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